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Submitted by
goldsbar
a Weekend Warrior
from New Jersey
Date Reviewed: October 10, 2008 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | Near instant up and down, very easy to use with remote on handlebars. Lot's of adjustability w/in the 3" range. Ability to rail turns like never before. | | Weaknesses: | Nothing major - more clutter with the remote, weight. | | Similar Products Used: | None | | Bike Setup: | 2007 Enduro SL (6" travel bike) | | Bottom Line: | I never thought of buying one of these things in my 15 years of XC/Trail mtbing until I tool the Enduro SL up to Whiteface for some downhill action. For those that haven't been, the upper part of Little Whiteface has some pretty rocky, extreme terrain that's nothing like your typical "technical" trail riding. I was lowering my seatpost just to survive (walked a lot).
Back home in NJ I started to wonder how much of a difference it would make to have a seatpost that can easily be lowered on the fly. I'm not going to get off the bike to lower the seatpost for every 15 second descent.
Answer - the difference is huge, even on hardpack dirt trails. I'm fairly amazed at how much better I can rail corners with this thing. Plus, if you start to slide out, it's much more controlable. Loose, rocky descents are much more secure.
The specific post is great because you get a lot of flexibility regarding how low you want to go (3" is a lot more than I want most of the time). Drop and rise are near instant. The remote on the handlebar is easy to access - expect to spend a ride getting used to it. Despite what others have said, I found the clamp easier than most to setup. Can't comment on durability as I've only had 6 or 7 hours on the post. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
dorse
a Weekend Warrior
from Abbotsford
Date Reviewed: October 8, 2008 | | Favorite Trail: | A-line | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$280.00 | | Purchased At: | Universal Cycle | | Strengths: | Its a good (no great) idea. The up down action works quite well. | | Weaknesses: | clamp is garbage I have gone through 3 haven't even bothered to call crank bros the last time. Only three inches. Even at min insertion the post is not tall enough. | | Similar Products Used: | I bought a gravity dropper 2 months ago. | | Bike Setup: | Nomad / Heckler | | Bottom Line: | Save your money until crank bros improve the clamp. That seat CLAMP broke three times and ruined three days riding.I'm not going to put my three hundred $ mistake on a bike till crank bros improve the clamp.
Crank Brothers have been good and sent replacement clamps fast, and three times. They say they know about the clamp problem and are working to fix the problem. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Tatu Salokoski
a Downhiller
from Finland
Date Reviewed: October 3, 2008 | | Favorite Trail: | Local | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$296.00 | | Purchased At: | crc | | Strengths: | Quick to lower before hitting steep technical sections. Looks really good. Easy to service. | | Weaknesses: | Small play but not noticeable when riding. Sucks up all the dirt when riding in muddy and rainy weather, but its easy to clean afterwards. Weight! | | Similar Products Used: | none | | Bike Setup: | Bionicon Edison ltd. | | Bottom Line: | Makes me ride much faster without having to stop before technical downhill sections. No need for remote controlled unit because the lever under the seat is quick to operate. Its a bit heavy and moves the bikes center of gravity, you will notice it during first rides. Sucks all the dirt and water inside and needs to opened and cleaned+lubed reqularly during the rainy season. fortunately its easy to do, just open the nut in the bottom of seattube and pull it apart. That small play isnt an issue while riding, my a** isnt so sensitive to notice it. The small "glide block", just needs to be slightly smaller than the groove in outer seatpost tube. Would recommend this to all 5+ travel bikes, if you have an ultra light XC race bike you probably want to avoid this because of the weight. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Iwan
a Weekend Warrior
from Cape Town, South Africa
Date Reviewed: September 27, 2008 | | Favorite Trail: | Tokai / Harkerville | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$1.00 | | Purchased At: | Cycle Factory Store | | Strengths: | Light
Stiff | | Weaknesses: | Still proofing it's reliability | | Similar Products Used: | Rock Shox Rev, Fox Talas | | Bike Setup: | Ibis Mojo SL | | Bottom Line: | Good value for money in SA ( cheaper than Fox, slightly more expensive than RS). Plush, controlled, ease of set-up | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
devo5
a Racer
from petaluma CA
Date Reviewed: September 5, 2008 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$200.00 | | Purchased At: | Bici Sport | | Strengths: | Smooth function and strong. Simple clamp, just lightly hit the saddle after tightening part way, should center clamp on rails of saddle. Aesthetics
| | Weaknesses: | Side to side play is inexcusable and if the post is lowered the post will extend with a little bit of force.
A pain to put in a bike stand.
The remote lever is extremely weak, i broke mine on the third ride while climbing, I bumped a tree and the clamp snapped...poor durability.
| | Similar Products Used: | Gravity dropper aka ball killer | | Bike Setup: | '08 Trek Fuel EX-9
| | Bottom Line: | Kind of a waste of money, especially if you only occasionally see drops and jumps. Otherwise a high saddle is faster and a better contact point.
Don't get it and if you must get the lever not remote version. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
ozzybmx
a Weekend Warrior
from Australia
Date Reviewed: August 26, 2008 | | Favorite Trail: | Fox Creek | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$165.00 | | Purchased At: | eBay | | Strengths: | It does exactly what it says !!!! | | Weaknesses: | NONE , the 1mm wiggle is to be expected , a pneumatic seat post that weighs 461g . It has to have a tiny bit of play to be able to move .... this is then exaggerated at the tip of your seat (the play you see) | | Similar Products Used: | errrr.... stiff non moving models. | | Bike Setup: | 08 enduro | | Bottom Line: | These are $399 in Australia.
I paid $165us , including exchange rate and postage it has cost me $230au.....
Knowing what i know now after using it , i would have paid DOUBLE NO WORRYS !
I probably adjusted my post on average 6 times a ride , and many times while in the seat i thought that it would be better up a bit or down a bit..... no probs now.
BEST ADDITION TO YOUR BIKE EVER !
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Submitted by
mtb4fun
a Cross Country Rider
from Aspen, Colorado, USA
Date Reviewed: August 25, 2008 | | Favorite Trail: | All Single Track | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$200.00 | | Purchased At: | Colorado Cyclist | | Strengths: | Clean design. Seat post allows me to descend at ridiculous speed. | | Weaknesses: | Post rattles on rocky downhills, 10mm play is needs to be addressed, Post does not lock in down position. | | Bike Setup: | '08 Heckler | | Bottom Line: | Despite all of the weaknesses listed above, this is the one component that will increase the fun factor on any trail. I hope Crank Bros. will refine this design. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
photodog
a Racer
from SLO, CA
Date Reviewed: August 23, 2008 | | Favorite Trail: | my yard | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$200.00 | | Strengths: | Allows me to ride faster; I don't have to stop to raise and lower my seat | | Weaknesses: | It broke after 2 months. The wiggle took some getting used to. Very expensive. | | Similar Products Used: | In about '92 I put some weird spring on my seatpost... | | Bike Setup: | Nomad, float 36 | | Bottom Line: | I post an earlier review, not sure what happened to it?
I really love this post, definitely allows me to be more comfortable and makes it so I don't have to stop to raise and lower the saddle. The wiggle is no big deal, it takes about 2 minutes of riding to get used to and you are standing anytime things get tech so it doesn't affect performance. 3 inches is a good amount of drop for most situations but not enough for serious jumps or features. It's perfectly fine for what you find on any XC trail, just not for the gaps and drops.
Mine stopped locking out after 2 months, I returned it with no hassle and CB got me a new one in about 2 weeks. New one has been going strong for 2 months so I'm happy. Heck, even if I have to replace it every 2 months I'd still use it.
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Submitted by
frank_strupeck
a Cross Country Rider
from Louisville, Colorado, USA
Date Reviewed: August 19, 2008 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$155.00 | | Purchased At: | E-bay | | Strengths: | This seat post allows you to take advantage of your predetermined saddle height while climbing and allows you to lower the saddle height 3” on the descent. Lowering the saddle height gives you more clearance and a lower center of gravity on the DH. In my opinion, the weight penalty is negligible for the added speed/fun you gain on the downhill. | | Weaknesses: | The lever on the "remote" version has about 1/4" of clearance from my saddle (WTB - Silverado). Once I sit on the saddle, it flexes downward and contacts the lever. I can feel the saddle bottom out on the lever and I am pretty sure that eventually the lever and/or saddle will become damaged. | | Similar Products Used: | I've had the Maverick (non-remote) version on my Giant for over a year. | | Bike Setup: | Crank Bros Joplin R - Soul Cycles Dillinger & WTB Silverado Saddle
Maverick Speedball (non-remote) - Giant Reign & WTB Saddle | | Bottom Line: | I contacted Crank Brothers about this (in my opinion) design flaw. The good Brothers suggested I buy a different saddle, but were unable to give me a list of compatible saddles.
I still love this product, but it needs some design work. If it didn't contact the saddle I would have given it "4 Flamin' Chilis". | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
chrisbennet
a Weekend Warrior
from Nashua, NH, USA
Date Reviewed: August 15, 2008 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Purchased At: | Wrench Science | | Strengths: | It just *works*. I flick of the finger and it's down for some technical terrain, another flick and it's all the way up for the flatter stuff. | | Weaknesses: | I wouldn't mind a little more range. I'm guessing it has about 2" of travel. | | Bike Setup: | 2007 Ibis Mojo with DT Swiss rear shock, Fox 32 R float front shock, Mavic Crossmax wheels, Shimano XT components and brakes. | | Bottom Line: | Probably not the ticket for the someone who wants to brag about how light their bike is but I'll never go back to a stock post. Imagine using an office chair that doesn't adjust? | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
uphillwish
a Weekend Warrior
from San Jose, California
Date Reviewed: August 5, 2008 | | Favorite Trail: | El Corte De Madera Creek | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$200.00 | | Purchased At: | ModernBike.com | | Strengths: | Remote adjusting of seatpost height | | Weaknesses: | After 1 or 2 easy XC rides, it wiggles left and right about 6mm at saddle tip. | | Similar Products Used: | Thomson seatpoet | | Bike Setup: | Ibis Mojo Carbon | | Bottom Line: | There is a major design error, in my opinion. When trail becomes challenging and fun, who needs a wiggling saddle. It gives me unstable feeling when in dicey situation. Crankbrother said all Joplin seatposts will do the same wiggling. It cost a fortune to have solid frame without flex. Sorry but I don't need an expensive wiggling saddle. Not even for $1. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Flapper
a Weekend Warrior
from California
Date Reviewed: August 3, 2008 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$235.00 | | Purchased At: | ebay | | Strengths: | Never have to get of the bike for going up or down. It is very well made | | Weaknesses: | The only problems I can see with it is I have the romote version and it is just one more thing on your bars but this isn't really a weakness and only two sizes available. | | Similar Products Used: | None | | Bike Setup: | Blur LT2 | | Bottom Line: | I spent alot of money on a new bike and the thing I am most impressed with is the seat post. I will never buy a bike that this seat post or one like it won't fit. If you like riding and not fiddling with you seat post buy it. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
fishxpig
a Weekend Warrior
from Mesa, Arizona
Date Reviewed: July 19, 2008 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$220.00 | | Purchased At: | e-bay | | Strengths: | Solid design and nice finish work. Seems to be very well made. Adds versatility to your ride in every way. | | Weaknesses: | When the seat is in a dropped position and you lift the bike by the seat it top out the post. Not necessarily a weakness, just something you have to get used to. | | Similar Products Used: | Mostly Bontrager posts. | | Bike Setup: | Fisher Sugar. | | Bottom Line: | Great application of form and function. Looks great and works even better. I've got the remote version because I like the idea of being able to keep my hands on the bar and adjust the seat height instantly. I put it full extension for climbing, lower it half an inch or so for flats and drop it completely for technical terrain/going down. It's amazing how much more confidence and control you have with the seat out of the way. I used to hesitate stopping and adjusting seat height, but you can do it instantly even in the smallest increments to adjust to the terrain.I'm sure in time I'll get over the initial over-fascination with it and give the lever a rest, but I would recommend this product highly. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
kiwijames
a Racer
from Lafayette, CA
Date Reviewed: June 22, 2008 | | Favorite Trail: | Anything in Joaquin Miller Park | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$180.00 | | Purchased At: | Online @ Modern bike | | Strengths: | Meets my expectations for quality, ease of set-up. Quality build, looks good, the orange ano looks red on a red accented frame. Lever is very easy to access and adjust on the fly. Not spring loaded, so your underside is protected from a getting a punch when raising the saddle. | | Weaknesses: | 30.9 or 31.6 sizes..have to use shims otherwise. Some frame makers say the the use of shims voids their warranty. | | Similar Products Used: | Never had a telescoping/adjust on the fly post. Always some stock or aftermarket solid..Race face, Bontrager, U.S.E. | | Bike Setup: | Spark 20, XT, Juicy 7, F100RL, DT SWiss Nude TC, Dt Swiss X455 with 240s, Panaracer XC Fire 127tpi, Joplin Lever w/U.S.E 31.6-34.9 shim, Selle Italia SLR XP Kevlar | | Bottom Line: | I've read the pros and cons of the lever vs remote. Already have too much on the bar with a rear shock tracloc, so the lever was my no brainer. I have to adjust my package out of the way when going for a descent anyhow, so a toggle of the underseat lever is easy on the fly at the same time. Anyone with inhibitions should just lower it in anticipation or opt for the remote. The ever so slight movement/rotation in the post is not noticeable while riding, so don't freak when it moves when you twist it by hand. 75mm is a big range depending on your bike and what the terrain is. Nice if they had mm measurement marking in the slider you could code/color with a sharpee so you know where to adjust to. I had to use a shim to have this on my Scott...and am glad I got it. Weight weenies will balk at the grams...take a big dump before you ride and you'll have it covered easily. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
hurtinunit
a Cross Country Rider
from East Rockies, Alberta, Canada
Date Reviewed: June 22, 2008 | | Favorite Trail: | Jasper Trails - All from the Townsite | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$225.00 | | Purchased At: | Online - Speedgoat | | Strengths: | -Works very well
-I have the seat post lever which is fewer lines and fewer distraction on the handlebars.
-Very easy to reach down and activate the lever (THATS WHAT SHE SAID)even in technical situations
-Anodized orange looks bling
-Riding buddies are jealous | | Weaknesses: | -Saddle rail clamps may actually warp your saddle because of the 150 lb torque required to tighten. My WTB saddle is saying WTF?
-Obviously it is heavier than your standard weight weenie post
-Set back post and variable height on the fly and make horizontal saddle position hard to figure out
-Can't grip bike by seatpost as the hydraulics top out
-May need to go through the "Trouble shooting guide" when trying to figure out how the thing works | | Similar Products Used: | -None | | Bike Setup: | -08 Santa Cruz Nomad | | Bottom Line: | -If your wallet allows, buy it
-Slight saddle play side to side isnt noticiable at all when riding
-I wont go back to regular seatposts!!!!
Question for Admins....
The "What type of cyclist" category is a bit weak dont you think? How about the guy who rides a Nomad who believe or not rides XC and Downhill? Go figure! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
swisgar swiggle
a Cross Country Rider
from mordhaus, netherlands
Date Reviewed: May 11, 2008 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$250.00 | | Purchased At: | ebays | | Bottom Line: | To anyone having seat clamp issues: grease under the orange four arm clamp thingie to help them seat on the clamp cups. If they are dry, you might have a problem with post loosening. Torque the bolt to 150 inch lbs (go to a shop and use their torque wrench to get a feel for this!). Problem solved.
Alternative usage tip!!! After installing this post you can usually move your saddle a cm or two forward, enabling a more forward seat position for climbing. This is possible because you can lower your seat a inch or so for fast moderatly bumpy descents. This gives a more planted front tire for steep climbs.
ALSO!! on super steep technical rocky sections --Lower--
your saddle 1/2- 1 inches! This will lower your center of gravity, allowing you to motor up the rocks no problem. I am hearing some grumblings of disbelief and complaints about pedal stroke efficiency. Yes you lose a fraction of efficiency in the pedal stroke, but this is more than compensated for in the gains in traction and having to stand and pedal with your chest lying over the handle bars. I feel this additional alt. usage is almost as important as the benefit of dropping the post for downhill!!! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Gavin
a Cross Country Rider
from Alamo, CA
Date Reviewed: May 6, 2008 | | Favorite Trail: | Boy Scout | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$200.00 | | Purchased At: | eBay | | Strengths: | Dropping the seat on the fly keeps the flow going and allows me to tackle descents with aplomb. | | Weaknesses: | Weight, if you are a weight weenie; lame orange-colored clamp and cap. | | Similar Products Used: | Regular seat post, that vise-grips into the down tube. | | Bike Setup: | Ibis Mojo carbon; XTR wheels & drivetrain; Magura Marta SL's; Easton bits. | | Bottom Line: | A friend has one on his Maverick and swears by it; but he is more DH-oriented than I, so I thought the added weight (close to 1 lb.) and adjustability was unnecessary. This past winter I experimented with lowering my standard seatpost prior to descending and was pleasantly surprised at the increased control and ability to grove through corners with a lowered center of gravity. But getting off the bike and adjusting the carbon on carbon set up was a pain, which led me to keep my post well-lubricated to avoid sticking (probably a good thing any how).
I finally caved and bought the Joplin, nee Speedball, w/o remote on eBay at a discount (not much more than the msrp on an high-end carbon post), yet it was still costly. That was a good move. Adjusting on the fly is critical in the varied terrain I ride, and on short (6 mile) spins in the evening, that means a savings of minutes. I found that as little as 0.5" in downward adjustment enabled me to attack moderate, flowing, downhill singletrack like never before. On severe steeps, a drop of 1.5 to 2.5" was a blessing (I don't even use the full 3" of travel!).
I found the post easy to install -- both onto the bike and the seat onto the post -- so I can't speak to others' mechanical issues. My only gripe thus far is the orange bits on the post -- why orange? I know, fashion sense and color schemes are low on the MTB-radar; but looking stealth suits me. Nothing matte black spray paint and a Sharpie counldn't handle.
At the end of the day, the Joplin is worth it and I will never go back when riding a 5-6" full-suspension AM bike. Hardtails are a different story. The ease of use and increased control outweigh the weight and cost issues. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Timothy
a Weekend Warrior
from Calgary
Date Reviewed: April 30, 2008 | | Favorite Trail: | Freiburg/Basel | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$220.00 | | Purchased At: | Speedgoat | | Strengths: | Looks great, surprisingly useful: no more compromise setting for saddle height! | | Weaknesses: | luxury item; remote lever is a bit basic, and seat clamp has to be set carefully -- not as idiot proof as some other manufacturers. | | Similar Products Used: | there is nothing else like it | | Bike Setup: | Trance X2 | | Bottom Line: | Originally purchased as pure self-indulgence: it was simply the most useless sounding piece of bike bling I could find -- wouldn't you want to tell all your friends that your bike has a remote-control seatpost?.
Of course I could see the point of it -- there have been lots of times when I went down a steep slope with my saddle too high simply because I hadn't the patience to stop and adjust it, and almost came to grief as a result, but this did look like high tech overkill.
However, once I'd actually installed it and could adjust at will, I found I was flipping that remote lever all the time. I now have my saddle all the way up for full leg stretch on the flat and smooth.
I drop it down an inch or two when I'm in stop and go mode, and want to slip off and on more easily.
When I do hit a steep downhill, I go to the lowest setting, which didn't look like all that much in the photo, but is actually a very sizeable drop -- more than my last bike allowed for a solid seatpost adjustment.
In terms of stress testing, I haven't pushed it to its limit yet -- hitting it hard on a big drop, but I'm over 200 lbs and I've had no problems with rigidity so far. Anyway, with dual suspension, I don't expect this to be taking too much of the shock.
While most people will think of this as the final touch to an ambitious component upgrade program, if you ride through a mix of flat/steep terrain and are frequently finding yourself at irritatingly sub-optimal saddle height, move it to the front of your list.
Seems a bit expensive but, as with all things Crank Brothers, design and finish make it a minor work of art.
One minor issue was that, straight out of the box, it refused to lock properly, but after I'd cycled the piston up/down 75+ times, it eventually caught and has worked perfectly ever since. The instructions say you may need to cycle it a dozen times to clear air bubbles, but this was a bit extreme (I only kept at it because I'd bought it mail order and would be writing off $80 shipping, brokerage, and customs charges to send it back.)
Another reviewer got very frustrated with the seat clamp, and having used several other posts before this, I can see why: if you assume the mechanism to be as simple as others, it's easy to tighten it to a "false lock" position where a sharp jolt will knock the saddle loose, but if you check how the clamp has seated itself on the rails and bearings, and wiggle it a bit before final tightening, it holds fast. But this isn't just CB getting too artsy for their own good -- once you get the hang of it, this is a lot easier to fine tune than other designs.
To summarize -- if you like things straight and simple, avoid this; but if you get off on imaginative solutions to subtle problems, the Joplin remote delivers on its promises.
(And yes, the extra $20 for the remote as opposed to the lever is worth it -- you don't have to take your hand off the bars at that tricky "oh my god this is a bit steeper than it looked" moment, and it doesn't look like you're playing with yourself each time you adjust the height.)
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Submitted by
Cheese Soda
a
from CA
Date Reviewed: April 18, 2008 | | Duration Product Used: | Tested or demo'ed only | | Strengths: | Just the right amount of adjustability, and pretty natural to adjust after an hour or two of riding. | | Weaknesses: | Had a *slight* side to side wiggle, but wasn't enough to notice while riding, just if you played with it while off the bike. | | Bottom Line: | I spent an entire day over one of these (lever model, not remote) doing 20 minute ascents up fire roads with the post fully extended, followed by long, technical, jump covered descents with the post all the way dropped... and never did i have to stop to adjust anything. With something around 8 inches of adjustability, it was just right to max out either direction, and not have to futz with anything. The height mechanism seemed very solid, and never slipped, or moved accidentally. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Michael Dorsey
a Weekend Warrior
from Pacific North West
Date Reviewed: March 31, 2008 | | Favorite Trail: | A-line / Whistler | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$280.00 | | Purchased At: | Universal Cycle | | Strengths: | It's a great concept to be able to lower and raise your seat remotely | | Weaknesses: | same as above.Plus the seat clamp is not up to the task. I have ridden it 5 times and every time the seat would pitch nose up or down today it went up and down and then my seat fell off. The clamp is in pieces and It will need to be replaced. Most seat posts I have seen that us the same screw to attach the seat and hold the seat level have serrations on the clamp and on the seat post this post has none only a smooth anodized surface. | | Similar Products Used: | http://www.frappr.com/?a=myphotos&id=4989596
checkout the photos | | Bike Setup: | same as below | | Bottom Line: | I'll give Crank Bros. a call in the morning.and start a RMO. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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